Reading from the words of the poet: A chapter on the doctrines of those who say that it is connected to the will and the desire, and those who say that it is by the will *** and the desire as well; they are of two types
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The reader: " A chapter on the doctrines of those who say that it is connected to the will and the desire
And those who say that it is by the will *** and the desire as well; they are of two types
One of them made it outside His essence *** like the will of the created beings and the worlds
They said that His speech became [attributed to Him] by the addition *** of honor, like the house with its pillars
He did not say it in their view, nor is He the one who says it *** and the saying was not heard from the All-Just
So the saying is an effect in their view, subsisting *** in another, like the attributes and the worlds
This is the doctrine of every Jahmi, and they *** are the sheikhs who are the teachers of the children "
The Shaykh : Teachers, be patient, do you have "teachers"? Yes, and what do you say about it?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Both options are permissible in it. If we say "teachers" (mu'allimu), it becomes a second predicate. If we say "teaching" (mu'allimi), it becomes a state (hal). They are the sheikhs in the state of being the teachers of the children. Yes.
The reader: " But the people of the Mu'tazilah, the early ones among them *** did not follow this Satanic doctrine
And they are those who withdrew from al-Hasan *** al-Ra'ya al-Basri, that divine scholar
And likewise the followers on their path *** before Jahm, the one of the innovations
But their later ones, after *** that, agreed with Jahm in disbelief
So by this they are the Jahmiyyah, the people of the Mu'tazilah *** their garment has become known by two names "
The Shaykh : Allah is the Greatest.
The reader: " And indeed, fifty in *** ten of the scholars in the lands have adopted their disbelief
And al-Lalaka'i, the Imam, reported it from *** them, and indeed al-Tabarani reported it before him "
And those who say that it is by the will *** and the desire as well; they are of two types
One of them made it outside His essence *** like the will of the created beings and the worlds
They said that His speech became [attributed to Him] by the addition *** of honor, like the house with its pillars
He did not say it in their view, nor is He the one who says it *** and the saying was not heard from the All-Just
So the saying is an effect in their view, subsisting *** in another, like the attributes and the worlds
This is the doctrine of every Jahmi, and they *** are the sheikhs who are the teachers of the children "
The Shaykh : Teachers, be patient, do you have "teachers"? Yes, and what do you say about it?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Both options are permissible in it. If we say "teachers" (mu'allimu), it becomes a second predicate. If we say "teaching" (mu'allimi), it becomes a state (hal). They are the sheikhs in the state of being the teachers of the children. Yes.
The reader: " But the people of the Mu'tazilah, the early ones among them *** did not follow this Satanic doctrine
And they are those who withdrew from al-Hasan *** al-Ra'ya al-Basri, that divine scholar
And likewise the followers on their path *** before Jahm, the one of the innovations
But their later ones, after *** that, agreed with Jahm in disbelief
So by this they are the Jahmiyyah, the people of the Mu'tazilah *** their garment has become known by two names "
The Shaykh : Allah is the Greatest.
The reader: " And indeed, fifty in *** ten of the scholars in the lands have adopted their disbelief
And al-Lalaka'i, the Imam, reported it from *** them, and indeed al-Tabarani reported it before him "