What is the ruling on the imam if he forgets the first tashahhud, then stands up, and the worshippers remind him, so he returns to the tashahhud?
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The student: This is a matter similar to the issue the brother asked about.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: Sometimes it happens out of forgetfulness; the imam stands up for the third rak'ah and leaves out the first tashahhud, so the worshippers behind him who are reciting tasbih make a noise, saying, Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah. Sometimes he knows the ruling that he should proceed and not return.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: But sometimes he gets confused and panics, so he returns to sitting and the tashahhud. What is the ruling on this issue? Is the ruling here the same as that one?
The Shaykh: If the imam is thrown off balance by the noise made by the people behind him with their tasbih, and he returns in a state of forgetfulness, even though he should not return, this is undoubtedly an error. But this error is similar to that error, meaning it was not intentional.
The student: Perfect.
The Shaykh: However, he should make amends for his situation and not persist in his error, meaning, meaning.
The student: He stands up.
The Shaykh: No, he should return to the correct action.
The student: That is what I mean, he should not remain sitting.
The Shaykh: Yes, he should not remain.
The student: But if he was ignorant and continued sitting, and the people behind him continued sitting, because naturally this issue usually occurs in these two scenarios, these are the two scenarios.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: No, not others.
The Shaykh: In any case, the prayer is valid, but the prostrations for forgetfulness are obligatory.
The student: Yes, yes.
Another student : Our Shaykh, in fact, this issue is one of the problems that is raised in mosques often, to the extent that I have heard many jurists or preachers or such, and it is even stated in some books: that returning invalidates the prayer.
The Shaykh: Yes, they say that.
The student: Is there any evidence for this in the first place?
The Shaykh: Because this stems from the observation that he left a pillar and returned to what was just called a sunnah, and he returned to the obligatory, which perhaps does not harm.
The student: Meaning, the most we say is that he is sinful for intentionally returning.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: Or he is excused if it was due to ignorance or panic!
The Shaykh : Without a doubt.
The student: As for invalidation, there is no basis for that in the Sunnah.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : And beware of that.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: Sometimes it happens out of forgetfulness; the imam stands up for the third rak'ah and leaves out the first tashahhud, so the worshippers behind him who are reciting tasbih make a noise, saying, Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah. Sometimes he knows the ruling that he should proceed and not return.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: But sometimes he gets confused and panics, so he returns to sitting and the tashahhud. What is the ruling on this issue? Is the ruling here the same as that one?
The Shaykh: If the imam is thrown off balance by the noise made by the people behind him with their tasbih, and he returns in a state of forgetfulness, even though he should not return, this is undoubtedly an error. But this error is similar to that error, meaning it was not intentional.
The student: Perfect.
The Shaykh: However, he should make amends for his situation and not persist in his error, meaning, meaning.
The student: He stands up.
The Shaykh: No, he should return to the correct action.
The student: That is what I mean, he should not remain sitting.
The Shaykh: Yes, he should not remain.
The student: But if he was ignorant and continued sitting, and the people behind him continued sitting, because naturally this issue usually occurs in these two scenarios, these are the two scenarios.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: No, not others.
The Shaykh: In any case, the prayer is valid, but the prostrations for forgetfulness are obligatory.
The student: Yes, yes.
Another student : Our Shaykh, in fact, this issue is one of the problems that is raised in mosques often, to the extent that I have heard many jurists or preachers or such, and it is even stated in some books: that returning invalidates the prayer.
The Shaykh: Yes, they say that.
The student: Is there any evidence for this in the first place?
The Shaykh: Because this stems from the observation that he left a pillar and returned to what was just called a sunnah, and he returned to the obligatory, which perhaps does not harm.
The student: Meaning, the most we say is that he is sinful for intentionally returning.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student: Or he is excused if it was due to ignorance or panic!
The Shaykh : Without a doubt.
The student: As for invalidation, there is no basis for that in the Sunnah.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : And beware of that.
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