Explanation of the treatment for this man who claims prophethood, and his claim that he was a disbeliever before revelation was sent to him
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The questioner: All right, in your capacity as a doctor.
Another questioner: Yes.
The questioner: How... if you please, I want to simplify the explanations or use the simplest sentences... what is... .
Another questioner: That a person, by himself, outside, sees his state as something very big; he claims—for example—that at one time he might claim to be the emperor of the world or the king of the world, and at another time he shrinks into himself and hides from people and does not like to... and this is what brings about this claim, as you claim, do you see?
Another questioner: ... it is a matter of two personalities.
The questioner : ... .
Another questioner: Sometimes like this and sometimes like that.
Another questioner: When have you ever seen me sometimes like this and sometimes like that?
Another questioner: Ah, ah, but I judged you from the words you spoke that you, if not... like when someone wants to come to you, he wants to come calm; I am warning you about the words because it is a worldly matter, do you see? From the standpoint of knowledge and awareness, if the second state does not come to you, it will come to you later; and therefore, if you want advice from the standpoint of religion, do you see? Because you are from the general Muslims; meaning you are not from... .
Another questioner: From the general Muslims.
Another questioner: From their common people, ah, do you see? From the standpoint of religion, advice: you need treatment now.
The Shaykh: The treatment, look, I take a middle position in the matter: treatment of two types; scientific, legal, religious treatment and medical, physical treatment.
Those present: Yes.
The Shaykh: If he does not accept the second treatment, at least he must accept the first one, which is the scientific one. Our Lord said:[An-Nahl 16:43], you are, pardon me, right now standing, like they say: on the go, how many years have you been making this claim?
Another questioner: Since 1974, from Saudi Arabia.
The Shaykh: 1974.
All right, and what were you before?
Another questioner: An ordinary person.
The Shaykh: Do you see? And it became clear to you that you were not a Muslim?
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: It became clear to you that you were not a Muslim?
Another questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Were you a disbeliever?
Another questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Have you known a prophet or a messenger who was a disbeliever?
Another questioner: Yes...[Ad-Duhaa 93:7].
The Shaykh: Allah is the Greatest!
Another questioner: There is no power nor strength except with Allah.
Another questioner: Before Allah—Glorified and Exalted is He—guided him, he was lost.
Another questioner: Lost on the path.
The Shaykh : Pardon me.
Another questioner: On the path.
The Shaykh: Pardon me... look now... .
Another questioner: The opposite of guidance is misguidance.
The Shaykh: Pay attention, my dear.
Another questioner: Misguidance is the opposite of guidance.
The Shaykh: Pay attention, Professor.
Another questioner: Go ahead.
The Shaykh: I did not ask you if he was lost or not?
Another questioner: You tell me: Did...? I brought you an example.
The Shaykh: ... I did not ask you; I asked you: Did it become clear to you when this alleged revelation was sent to you that you were a disbeliever? You said: Yes. I said: Have you known a messenger who was a disbeliever? You said: Yes. And you brought the verse:[Ad-Duhaa 93:7], misguidance is one thing and disbelief is another thing, misguidance is one thing and disbelief is another thing; it is permissible for a person to pray but not to pray well.
Another questioner: He gets lost on the path.
The Shaykh: Do you see? So he prays but does not pray well; this is not a disbeliever, this is a lost person; do you understand this speech of mine?
Another questioner: I can hear you.
The Shaykh: Therefore, I say.
I am listening, but you need to listen from here, pay attention; because listen, and there is no going back in it, ah, so this speech is logical and scientific at the same time; a man prays but he prays badly, all right, this is not a disbeliever, but he is lost; so he is in need of guidance and direction; so you now, what indicates to us that you are not a scholar, neither in your time nor when revelation was sent to you.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Ah, why? Because you do not use proper conduct with your Prophet—peace be upon him—whom you claim to follow; I say now... .
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Listen... .
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: The evidence comes to you, you reject it; I want you to reject it, but not with your tongue, with your state and with your words; I asked you: Have you known a messenger who was a disbeliever before the message? You said: Yes, He—Exalted is He—said:[Ad-Duhaa 93:7]. Did you understand that the messenger was a disbeliever before the revelation came down to him?! While you can say: he was lost, by the text of the Noble Qur'an, then you interpret: perhaps this misguidance is shirk (associating partners with Allah) or what kind of misguidance guides these lost, shirking, wandering people in the wilderness of shirk; there is a difference; so now your bad knowledge led you to your bad conduct with your Prophet; where you took the verse: [Ad-Duhaa 93:7] meaning: a disbeliever, and this means that you believe that the messenger before the mission was what? A disbeliever, and the scholars of the Muslims half of the speech has no answer, all the scholars of the Muslims agree it is impossible... he said earlier much more than what he claimed, it is impossible for a prophet to live as a disbeliever, associating partners with Allah, then revelation comes down to him, [Al-Hajj 22:75], chooses from the disbelievers, the wicked?! I seek refuge in Allah!! [Al-An'am 6:124], how do you still imagine that the messenger was a disbeliever?!
Another questioner: ... Allah—Glorified and Exalted is He—... .
The Shaykh: This means that you interpret the Qur'an by desire, you interpret the Qur'an by desire... .
Another questioner: Any human being, any human being on the face of the earth, is either a disbeliever or a believer.
The Shaykh: False speech.
Another questioner: And our Lord—Glorified and Exalted is He—
The Shaykh: False... .
Another questioner: I heard you, I heard you... .
The Shaykh: Contrary to the Qur'an.
Another questioner: By Allah—Glorified and Exalted is He—He says:[Ali 'Imran 3:145] “believes” [Al-Baqarah 2:102], and before Allah gives permission, this soul is a disbeliever.
The Shaykh: May Allah guide you, may Allah guide you, we say: without Allah's permission?!
The questioner: It does not mean that he is a disbeliever and loves disbelief and follows disbelief, but he is a disbeliever and... guidance and faith.
The Shaykh: I seek refuge in Allah!! The Prophet was a disbeliever before the mission?! ... .
Another questioner:[Ash-Shuraa 42:52] “faith and the Book” .
The Shaykh: May Allah guide you.
Another questioner: And He says:[Yusuf 12:3].
The Shaykh : Yes, yes.
Another questioner: Meaning this is proof that before faith, before the message, he was not.
Another questioner: Before guidance, there is misguidance.
Another questioner: Any person... .
The Shaykh: ... said: from the disbelievers or from the heedless?
Another questioner: It is not that disbelief is after the truth except misguidance.
The Shaykh: Slow down, slow down... .
Another questioner: What is disbelief?
The Shaykh: Enough of the shouting we heard.
Another questioner: We are hesitant to say the word of disbelief about the master of mankind, so you do not need... .
The Shaykh: Your brother is not hesitant, your brother whom you want to follow.
Another questioner: You want to confirm it.
The Shaykh: The one you follow is not hesitant to say it from where?
Another questioner: Right, he is not hesitant... .
The Shaykh: So why are you hesitant?!
Another questioner: I say ... .
The Shaykh: Come on, everyone... .
Another questioner: May Allah be pleased with you, our Shaykh, advise the brother what is best so that he is not fitnah (trial, discord or temptation).
Another questioner: It is correct.
The Shaykh : There is no power nor strength except with Allah!
Another questioner: ... he might lean toward some opinion, with proof that he might... .
The Shaykh: ... my brother... you know your state, where your Lord placed you,[An-Nahl 16:43]!
Another questioner: You are from the people of the reminder, meaning.
The Shaykh: Be patient, I am not the one saying, it is... you.
Another questioner: Go ahead.
Another questioner: Yes.
The questioner: How... if you please, I want to simplify the explanations or use the simplest sentences... what is... .
Another questioner: That a person, by himself, outside, sees his state as something very big; he claims—for example—that at one time he might claim to be the emperor of the world or the king of the world, and at another time he shrinks into himself and hides from people and does not like to... and this is what brings about this claim, as you claim, do you see?
Another questioner: ... it is a matter of two personalities.
The questioner : ... .
Another questioner: Sometimes like this and sometimes like that.
Another questioner: When have you ever seen me sometimes like this and sometimes like that?
Another questioner: Ah, ah, but I judged you from the words you spoke that you, if not... like when someone wants to come to you, he wants to come calm; I am warning you about the words because it is a worldly matter, do you see? From the standpoint of knowledge and awareness, if the second state does not come to you, it will come to you later; and therefore, if you want advice from the standpoint of religion, do you see? Because you are from the general Muslims; meaning you are not from... .
Another questioner: From the general Muslims.
Another questioner: From their common people, ah, do you see? From the standpoint of religion, advice: you need treatment now.
The Shaykh: The treatment, look, I take a middle position in the matter: treatment of two types; scientific, legal, religious treatment and medical, physical treatment.
Those present: Yes.
The Shaykh: If he does not accept the second treatment, at least he must accept the first one, which is the scientific one. Our Lord said:
So ask the people of the message if you do not know.
فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَAnother questioner: Since 1974, from Saudi Arabia.
The Shaykh: 1974.
All right, and what were you before?
Another questioner: An ordinary person.
The Shaykh: Do you see? And it became clear to you that you were not a Muslim?
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: It became clear to you that you were not a Muslim?
Another questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Were you a disbeliever?
Another questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Have you known a prophet or a messenger who was a disbeliever?
Another questioner: Yes...
And He found you lost and guided [you],
وَوَجَدَكَ ضَالًّا فَهَدَىThe Shaykh: Allah is the Greatest!
Another questioner: There is no power nor strength except with Allah.
Another questioner: Before Allah—Glorified and Exalted is He—guided him, he was lost.
Another questioner: Lost on the path.
The Shaykh : Pardon me.
Another questioner: On the path.
The Shaykh: Pardon me... look now... .
Another questioner: The opposite of guidance is misguidance.
The Shaykh: Pay attention, my dear.
Another questioner: Misguidance is the opposite of guidance.
The Shaykh: Pay attention, Professor.
Another questioner: Go ahead.
The Shaykh: I did not ask you if he was lost or not?
Another questioner: You tell me: Did...? I brought you an example.
The Shaykh: ... I did not ask you; I asked you: Did it become clear to you when this alleged revelation was sent to you that you were a disbeliever? You said: Yes. I said: Have you known a messenger who was a disbeliever? You said: Yes. And you brought the verse:
And He found you lost and guided [you],
وَوَجَدَكَ ضَالًّا فَهَدَىAnother questioner: He gets lost on the path.
The Shaykh: Do you see? So he prays but does not pray well; this is not a disbeliever, this is a lost person; do you understand this speech of mine?
Another questioner: I can hear you.
The Shaykh: Therefore, I say.
I am listening, but you need to listen from here, pay attention; because listen, and there is no going back in it, ah, so this speech is logical and scientific at the same time; a man prays but he prays badly, all right, this is not a disbeliever, but he is lost; so he is in need of guidance and direction; so you now, what indicates to us that you are not a scholar, neither in your time nor when revelation was sent to you.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Ah, why? Because you do not use proper conduct with your Prophet—peace be upon him—whom you claim to follow; I say now... .
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Listen... .
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: The evidence comes to you, you reject it; I want you to reject it, but not with your tongue, with your state and with your words; I asked you: Have you known a messenger who was a disbeliever before the message? You said: Yes, He—Exalted is He—said:
And He found you lost and guided [you],
وَوَجَدَكَ ضَالًّا فَهَدَىAnd He found you lost and guided [you],
وَوَجَدَكَ ضَالًّا فَهَدَىAllah chooses from the angels messengers and from the people
اللَّهُ يَصْطَفِي مِنَ الْمَلَائِكَةِ رُسُلًا وَمِنَ النَّاسِAllah is most knowing of where He places His message
اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ حَيْثُ يَجْعَلُ رِسَالَتَهُAnother questioner: ... Allah—Glorified and Exalted is He—... .
The Shaykh: This means that you interpret the Qur'an by desire, you interpret the Qur'an by desire... .
Another questioner: Any human being, any human being on the face of the earth, is either a disbeliever or a believer.
The Shaykh: False speech.
Another questioner: And our Lord—Glorified and Exalted is He—
The Shaykh: False... .
Another questioner: I heard you, I heard you... .
The Shaykh: Contrary to the Qur'an.
Another questioner: By Allah—Glorified and Exalted is He—He says:
And it is not [possible]
وَمَا كَانَ لِنَفْسٍ أَنْexcept by permission of Allah
إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِThe Shaykh: May Allah guide you, may Allah guide you, we say: without Allah's permission?!
The questioner: It does not mean that he is a disbeliever and loves disbelief and follows disbelief, but he is a disbeliever and... guidance and faith.
The Shaykh: I seek refuge in Allah!! The Prophet was a disbeliever before the mission?! ... .
Another questioner:
You did not know what
مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي مَاThe Shaykh: May Allah guide you.
Another questioner: And He says:
although you were, before it, among the unaware.
وَإِنْ كُنْتَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ لَمِنَ الْغَافِلِينَThe Shaykh : Yes, yes.
Another questioner: Meaning this is proof that before faith, before the message, he was not.
Another questioner: Before guidance, there is misguidance.
Another questioner: Any person... .
The Shaykh: ... said: from the disbelievers or from the heedless?
Another questioner: It is not that disbelief is after the truth except misguidance.
The Shaykh: Slow down, slow down... .
Another questioner: What is disbelief?
The Shaykh: Enough of the shouting we heard.
Another questioner: We are hesitant to say the word of disbelief about the master of mankind, so you do not need... .
The Shaykh: Your brother is not hesitant, your brother whom you want to follow.
Another questioner: You want to confirm it.
The Shaykh: The one you follow is not hesitant to say it from where?
Another questioner: Right, he is not hesitant... .
The Shaykh: So why are you hesitant?!
Another questioner: I say ... .
The Shaykh: Come on, everyone... .
Another questioner: May Allah be pleased with you, our Shaykh, advise the brother what is best so that he is not fitnah (trial, discord or temptation).
Another questioner: It is correct.
The Shaykh : There is no power nor strength except with Allah!
Another questioner: ... he might lean toward some opinion, with proof that he might... .
The Shaykh: ... my brother... you know your state, where your Lord placed you,
So ask the people of the message if you do not know.
فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَAnother questioner: You are from the people of the reminder, meaning.
The Shaykh: Be patient, I am not the one saying, it is... you.
Another questioner: Go ahead.
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