What is the true path to establishing a conservative Islamic state that liberates the land and supports Islam?

The questioner: You have been researching for years, and what organization have you produced?!

The Shaykh: Allow me a moment. This speech is directed at you. I am telling you that you are one of us. What is the difference between you and us? Did you produce an organization and manage to fight in Palestine and expel the Jews from Palestine? Say no.

The questioner: So, you are asking me to establish an organization!

The Shaykh: Say it, say no, my brother. Speak about reality. Did you produce one?

The questioner: No.

The Shaykh: And I am like you, and I am like you.

The questioner: But your position.

The Shaykh : Allow me.

The questioner: So, his position is greater than so-and-so's position, and so-and-so's is less than his.

The Shaykh: Correct, but this is the clarification that comes back to you: But we work in the manner indicated by the Shari'ah.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh: You do not work in accordance with it. This is the difference between us and you. Why did I begin my speech by saying that Allah (Mighty and Majestic) said to you, "Believe in the sense of communism"? You do not know the meaning. Why did I start this word? To draw your attention, my brother, to the fact that if Muslims want to strive in the path of Allah, they need work: organized, continuous, long-term, and long-lasting work. Whereas communism is a bloody red revolution; the communist revolution rose and the matter ended, either they win or they perish, and so on. The Islamic system that we believe in, first as an idea, and then we strive to apply it in practice, or as you put it, in accordance with the Shari'ah, this requires time and patience. We tell you: We are the ones who work, not you and those like you, because you believe with your tongue and you believe in your mind , but you do not support Allah, neither you nor your companions.

The questioner: The measure is not from...

The Shaykh: Allow me, my dear friend, what does mean? Does it mean as an idea or as an action?

The questioner: What is the human being, I mean.

The Shaykh: Answer me, may Allah guide you. What does mean? Does it mean as an idea only? That means your faith only.

The questioner: In speech and in action, in speech and in action.

The Shaykh: This is it. So do not say otherwise. Therefore, the meaning of His saying (the Exalted): is in action. Good, we agree on this, right?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh: Fine. These Muslim groups are the ones who work with this condition that our Lord linked to the condition, which is victory. As for you and those like you, you do not work with this condition. There is nothing but empty talk, and you will die and live like...

The questioner: But there is a determination from the other side, I mean, there is a determination that they, for example, take their rights, but there is no determination.

The Shaykh: My dear friend, this determination will not be reached by them, because they have not fulfilled the divine condition. Be patient with me. As the poet said: "You hope for salvation but have not taken its paths *** For the ship does not run on the dry land." It is not enough that the young man, like you, is eager for jihad and expelling the Jews from Palestine, but they do not take the means of jihad. Let me give you another example so you understand me.

The questioner: They take the means of...

The Shaykh: Allow me, allow me. Let me give you a material example so you understand me: Those who want to strive and expel the Jews from Palestine and throw them into the sea, as that idol used to say, who perished and died, namely Abd al-Nasser. If they do not have material military power like the power of the Jews, for example, can these people fight the Jews?

The questioner: No.

The Shaykh: So, what does it need? It needs a preamble.

The questioner : Yes.

The Shaykh : Correct?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh: Do you think this preamble happens in the blink of an eye? Will this group that is moving toward jihad in your way obtain power and weapons, and so on? Or does this require preparations and preambles, and...

The questioner: It requires a beginning, and until now, the Muslim beginning does not exist.

The Shaykh: May Allah guide you. This is my speech, not yours. My speech is that the beginning does not exist. But now we disagree with you on what the beginning is. Is the beginning material armament or ideological armament? Answer me now.

The questioner: Ideological or material.

The Shaykh: I am telling you the beginning.

The questioner: Ideological.

The Shaykh: I did not negate it, may Allah guide you. I, without holding you accountable, am losing a lot of time because of what? Because you come to investigate an issue that does not need investigation. You say to me, "This and that," and I have not contradicted you. But I am asking you: Does the beginning start with thought or with action?

The questioner: With thought, anything in this worldly life.

The Shaykh: Good. I am not asking you about this established matter. So, with what does the Muslim begin?

The questioner : May Allah have mercy on you.

The Shaykh: May Allah have mercy on you. Fine, you and those like you, do not hold me accountable, you are reversing the previous theory that you are agreeing with me on. You are reversing it. You are not interested in the beginning; you are interested in the end. That is, you are interested in weapons and material preparation, and you are leaving the intellectual preparation, which is expressed by this noble verse: .

The questioner: But still...

The Shaykh: The noble verse did not hide from us His saying (the Exalted) — the hadith, of course, the final preparation —: This verse relates to what? To material matters. But the first verse, as we agreed, do not forget that it is the beginning. So, if we do not take the beginning, we will not succeed in the end, no matter how much our power exceeds the power of the Jews, the Christians, the Americans, the Russians, and so on.