Is it permissible to remove sorcery from a person afflicted with sorcery using similar sorcery?
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The questioner : Is it permissible to remove sorcery from a man afflicted with sorcery using sorcery?
The Shaykh : No, except according to one school of thought, which is the school of the drunkard Abu Nuwas, who said: "I treated it with what was the cause of the disease."
The questioner : It seems that some scholars meant to permit that.
The Shaykh : I do not know.
The questioner : They permitted it, and it seems it was among some of the Tabi'un, and Ibn al-Qayyim has a specific opinion on this, meaning: I do not know, but there are those who said...?
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : By mentioning this, and Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Hajar.
The Shaykh : By Allah, if I do not see a clear phrase, it is difficult for me to believe; because what is the sorcery? The sorcery intended to be used to remove sorcery, what is it? It is going to the fortune-tellers and the sorcerers, and seeking their help to remove the sorcery. This is cooperation in evil. How can it be said to be permissible?
The questioner : They asked how the evidence is derived. They said the sorcerer casts spells on people. When the Jews cast a spell on the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), it was Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) who made it clear. Allah the Exalted made it clear to him that he was under a spell, and the hadith is well-known and authentic. Now people ask how, and who informs us? Did the angels help the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him)? So who will help us? This is the difficulty that may cause confusion for some. I was asked about this and I researched a lot in the books, and I reached Ibn al-Qayyim, who has words on this, and some scholars, but it came out in an obscure form, not clear.
The Shaykh : But I, may Allah bless you, asked a question: What is the type of sorcery intended to remove the sorcery? Is it seeking help from the jinn?
The questioner : Yes, it is the same.
The Shaykh : Okay, this one says it is permissible, Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn al-Qayyim.
Another questioner : No, I am not saying it is permissible; I heard him narrating it.
The questioner : He is narrating it, and I did not find a clear form; he has an opinion.
The Shaykh : But you are saying that he said some scholars.
Another questioner : He said this, I think it was Ibn Sirin or Sa'id ibn al-Musayyib or one of the Tabi'un.
The Shaykh : Yes, I am saying that it is obligatory to verify the knowledge of the sorcery that is used to help remove the sorcery from the afflicted person.
The questioner : The written spell that creates love or does something for love.
The Shaykh : Okay, the written spell in which names are written whose meanings are not known, like this, Ibn Sirin does not mean it, it is not reasonable. It is not permissible, my brother. The principles and rules of the Shari'ah, as I told you, are not permissible except according to the school of Ibn Nuwas, "treat it with what was the cause of the disease." So sorcery is a disease, and the disease is treated with its like.
The Shaykh : No, except according to one school of thought, which is the school of the drunkard Abu Nuwas, who said: "I treated it with what was the cause of the disease."
The questioner : It seems that some scholars meant to permit that.
The Shaykh : I do not know.
The questioner : They permitted it, and it seems it was among some of the Tabi'un, and Ibn al-Qayyim has a specific opinion on this, meaning: I do not know, but there are those who said...?
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : By mentioning this, and Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Hajar.
The Shaykh : By Allah, if I do not see a clear phrase, it is difficult for me to believe; because what is the sorcery? The sorcery intended to be used to remove sorcery, what is it? It is going to the fortune-tellers and the sorcerers, and seeking their help to remove the sorcery. This is cooperation in evil. How can it be said to be permissible?
The questioner : They asked how the evidence is derived. They said the sorcerer casts spells on people. When the Jews cast a spell on the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), it was Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) who made it clear. Allah the Exalted made it clear to him that he was under a spell, and the hadith is well-known and authentic. Now people ask how, and who informs us? Did the angels help the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him)? So who will help us? This is the difficulty that may cause confusion for some. I was asked about this and I researched a lot in the books, and I reached Ibn al-Qayyim, who has words on this, and some scholars, but it came out in an obscure form, not clear.
The Shaykh : But I, may Allah bless you, asked a question: What is the type of sorcery intended to remove the sorcery? Is it seeking help from the jinn?
The questioner : Yes, it is the same.
The Shaykh : Okay, this one says it is permissible, Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn al-Qayyim.
Another questioner : No, I am not saying it is permissible; I heard him narrating it.
The questioner : He is narrating it, and I did not find a clear form; he has an opinion.
The Shaykh : But you are saying that he said some scholars.
Another questioner : He said this, I think it was Ibn Sirin or Sa'id ibn al-Musayyib or one of the Tabi'un.
The Shaykh : Yes, I am saying that it is obligatory to verify the knowledge of the sorcery that is used to help remove the sorcery from the afflicted person.
The questioner : The written spell that creates love or does something for love.
The Shaykh : Okay, the written spell in which names are written whose meanings are not known, like this, Ibn Sirin does not mean it, it is not reasonable. It is not permissible, my brother. The principles and rules of the Shari'ah, as I told you, are not permissible except according to the school of Ibn Nuwas, "treat it with what was the cause of the disease." So sorcery is a disease, and the disease is treated with its like.
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