Discussion of what was previously taken from the chapter on the doer.
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The Shaykh : A man said: "Hind said," and the other said: "Hind said." Which of the two is correct?
The student: "Hind said."
The Shaykh : And the one who said: "Hind said"?
The student: "Hind said"?
The Shaykh : "Hind said."
The student: "Hind said."
The Shaykh : Fine, and the one who said "Hind said," do we mark it as wrong, or do we say this is rare?
The student: This is rare.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: It is rare to say "Hind said," meaning: the majority say "Hind said."
The Shaykh : Fine, what is the evidence from Ibn Malik's words? Or what is the proof from Ibn Malik's words that this is rare?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Did you attend?
The student: No.
The Shaykh : Excused, yes, Ishaq? Is this brother Abdullah?
The student: Ibn Malik said: "And omission may occur without a separator"
The Shaykh : Yes, from his saying: "And omission may occur without a separator", what is it that requires the feminine marker?
The student: It is required in two cases.
The Shaykh : Yes, in two cases.
The student: When the feminine doer is a real, connected feminine.
The Shaykh : Yes, when the doer is a real, connected feminine.
The student: And when the doer is a connected pronoun referring to a real or figurative feminine.
The Shaykh : Perfect, meaning, and when the doer is a connected pronoun, what is the difference between real femininity and figurative femininity?
The student: Real femininity is like, like.
The Shaykh : We do not want the example, the difference?
The student: I do not know.
The Shaykh : Fine, Muhammad?
The student: What possesses a vulva is real femininity.
The Shaykh : And what does "vulva" mean?
The student: That is: the vulva.
The Shaykh : The vulva... there is nothing in it, fine, is the camel among those with vulvas?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Is that right?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Someone said: "O Khalid... only Hind stood up," and the second said: "Only Hind stood up," which is correct?
The student: The first is correct.
The Shaykh : "Only Hind stood up," and is the second permissible?
The student: No, it is not permissible.
The Shaykh : It is not permissible, what is the proof from Ibn Malik's Alfiyyah?
The student: "And omission with a separator by 'illa' is preferred"
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: "As 'Zaka' except the daughter of Al-'Ala'"
The Shaykh : You said it is not permissible, and Ibn Malik says: "is preferred", or does "preferred" mean "prohibited" to you?
The student: "Preferred" ahh.
The Shaykh : It means: obligatory, it means: obligatory.
The student: Omission is obligatory.
The Shaykh : So "preferred" means "obligatory"?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : You see, you have now taught them half the answer, if you raise your hands after he answers, it means be careful, the answer is wrong, you gave them half the answer, may Allah reward you, come on Khalid?
The student: "And omission with a separator by 'illa' is preferred"
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The student: Omission is obligatory.
The Shaykh : Omission is obligatory?
The student: Yes, indeed.
The Shaykh : Because the meaning of his saying: "preferred," is: obligatory.
The student: This expression is questionable, meaning.
The Shaykh : What is questionable about it?
The student: This expression "preferred."
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: The most correct is that it is rare for the feminine marker to be a subject.
The Shaykh : The important thing is to tell us Ibn Malik's opinion on the matter?
The student: He held that it is preferable.
The Shaykh : It is not obligatory?
The student: Yes, indeed.
The Shaykh : What do you say, people?
The student: Correct.
The Shaykh : Correct, Ibn Malik (may Allah have mercy on him) does not consider it obligatory, and we mentioned to you in the previous lesson that Ibn Hisham considers it obligatory, and that is the opinion of the majority.
The student: "Hind said."
The Shaykh : And the one who said: "Hind said"?
The student: "Hind said"?
The Shaykh : "Hind said."
The student: "Hind said."
The Shaykh : Fine, and the one who said "Hind said," do we mark it as wrong, or do we say this is rare?
The student: This is rare.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: It is rare to say "Hind said," meaning: the majority say "Hind said."
The Shaykh : Fine, what is the evidence from Ibn Malik's words? Or what is the proof from Ibn Malik's words that this is rare?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Did you attend?
The student: No.
The Shaykh : Excused, yes, Ishaq? Is this brother Abdullah?
The student: Ibn Malik said: "And omission may occur without a separator"
The Shaykh : Yes, from his saying: "And omission may occur without a separator", what is it that requires the feminine marker?
The student: It is required in two cases.
The Shaykh : Yes, in two cases.
The student: When the feminine doer is a real, connected feminine.
The Shaykh : Yes, when the doer is a real, connected feminine.
The student: And when the doer is a connected pronoun referring to a real or figurative feminine.
The Shaykh : Perfect, meaning, and when the doer is a connected pronoun, what is the difference between real femininity and figurative femininity?
The student: Real femininity is like, like.
The Shaykh : We do not want the example, the difference?
The student: I do not know.
The Shaykh : Fine, Muhammad?
The student: What possesses a vulva is real femininity.
The Shaykh : And what does "vulva" mean?
The student: That is: the vulva.
The Shaykh : The vulva... there is nothing in it, fine, is the camel among those with vulvas?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Is that right?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Someone said: "O Khalid... only Hind stood up," and the second said: "Only Hind stood up," which is correct?
The student: The first is correct.
The Shaykh : "Only Hind stood up," and is the second permissible?
The student: No, it is not permissible.
The Shaykh : It is not permissible, what is the proof from Ibn Malik's Alfiyyah?
The student: "And omission with a separator by 'illa' is preferred"
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: "As 'Zaka' except the daughter of Al-'Ala'"
The Shaykh : You said it is not permissible, and Ibn Malik says: "is preferred", or does "preferred" mean "prohibited" to you?
The student: "Preferred" ahh.
The Shaykh : It means: obligatory, it means: obligatory.
The student: Omission is obligatory.
The Shaykh : So "preferred" means "obligatory"?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : You see, you have now taught them half the answer, if you raise your hands after he answers, it means be careful, the answer is wrong, you gave them half the answer, may Allah reward you, come on Khalid?
The student: "And omission with a separator by 'illa' is preferred"
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The student: Omission is obligatory.
The Shaykh : Omission is obligatory?
The student: Yes, indeed.
The Shaykh : Because the meaning of his saying: "preferred," is: obligatory.
The student: This expression is questionable, meaning.
The Shaykh : What is questionable about it?
The student: This expression "preferred."
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: The most correct is that it is rare for the feminine marker to be a subject.
The Shaykh : The important thing is to tell us Ibn Malik's opinion on the matter?
The student: He held that it is preferable.
The Shaykh : It is not obligatory?
The student: Yes, indeed.
The Shaykh : What do you say, people?
The student: Correct.
The Shaykh : Correct, Ibn Malik (may Allah have mercy on him) does not consider it obligatory, and we mentioned to you in the previous lesson that Ibn Hisham considers it obligatory, and that is the opinion of the majority.